tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.comments2023-05-25T08:11:53.253-04:00Up in the MarblesFred Hurleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03379706257551429697noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-26655740393993802932010-03-13T15:34:16.339-05:002010-03-13T15:34:16.339-05:00How many times has he postponed an event because i...How many times has he postponed an event because it the bull was too hard to ride?<br /><br />His first event on the job and they act like sissies and have to change the track because the drivers have to be careful... what a joke. I thought these guys were professionals! Maybe the guys who are best at controlling a car on a tough course should get a chance to display their skills!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11167685006156929367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-62854778039489462492010-03-08T15:58:09.869-05:002010-03-08T15:58:09.869-05:00Well, now it is I who looks like the lunatic. I ju...Well, now it is I who looks like the lunatic. I just read where I posted the specifics of the engine selection, RIGHT HERE, on this very blogging blog, nearly a month ago.<br /><br />Sorry for wasting my time. Enjoy yours, and the fruity beverages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-54198140836338215412010-03-08T15:37:05.537-05:002010-03-08T15:37:05.537-05:00That post certainly doesn't have a taint of pl...That post certainly doesn't have a taint of plagerism. Just lunacy.<br /><br />Non-stressed engine installation was a stated design criteria by IICS long before you ever read the term (for the first time) when Bowlby used it as a talking point.<br /><br />And even though you read TrackForum constantly, you ignore all of the facts presented that reveal this to be yet another polished part of the pointy pitch.<br /><br />Bowlby has selected the most expensive engine to fit the vehicle, and likely cannot substitute a heavier (and thus cheaper) powerplant without accompanying design revisions.<br /><br />You have enjoyed your Koolaid. So did I, when installing a non-stressed architecture Cosworth BDA engine into a stressed engine March 80A F Atlantic car, on one of many warm summer days. Many, many summers ago. <br /><br />The Delta sales pitches are new and improved: none of their intellectual property is. Except the front track width, which disqualifies it from any fair definition as a car, or anything a race car driver knows how to drive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-58301486299031727612010-03-01T14:55:35.868-05:002010-03-01T14:55:35.868-05:00Delta Wing looks like a joke, and I won't be p...Delta Wing looks like a joke, and I won't be part of watching these stupid things on track.<br /><br />Delta Wing = Death of Open Wheel<br /><br />Make the new formula look like an IndyCar. Don't destroy 100 years of history by racing a replica of the car on the Daytona 500 trophy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14071334827031704581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-33002269726904955102010-02-17T18:30:41.280-05:002010-02-17T18:30:41.280-05:00I'm sorry if my response seemed out of line. ...I'm sorry if my response seemed out of line. I just take insinuations of plagiarism very seriously.Fred Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379706257551429697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-21455081323010194122010-02-17T17:35:03.539-05:002010-02-17T17:35:03.539-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-66577739907223922832010-02-16T23:09:42.781-05:002010-02-16T23:09:42.781-05:00"Let's see...first of all, as a reader, I..."Let's see...first of all, as a reader, I'm supposed to assume that you didn't lift a lot of those estimates straight out of my TrackForum posts."<br /><br />I assure you sir, I did no such thing. But by all means, continue.Fred Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379706257551429697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-76269318835322421062010-02-16T23:08:42.387-05:002010-02-16T23:08:42.387-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fred Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379706257551429697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-26902547736237150472010-02-16T23:01:55.341-05:002010-02-16T23:01:55.341-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-49262411182918594152010-02-13T17:08:44.124-05:002010-02-13T17:08:44.124-05:00I really wish the DeltaWing wasn't quite to od...I really wish the DeltaWing wasn't quite to odd looking. There's a lot I like about the principles behind it. Man, if it were about 20% less shocking on first sight, we'd all be having a very different discussion.<br /><br />Of course, if the DeltaWing concept is chosen as the rules package for the 2012 IndyCar, I don't think what we saw the other day will actually be what makes it to the track.Fred Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379706257551429697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-492661130820351642010-02-13T16:41:52.494-05:002010-02-13T16:41:52.494-05:00Agreed! Any one of the Swift proposals look like ...Agreed! Any one of the Swift proposals look like the future of Open Wheel and IndyCar.<br /><br />Because the amount of money invested by the IndyCar team owners in Delta THING, they are not going to accept any design concept proposed other than their own. They MUST understand that we refuse to watch something this hideous, and another Open Wheel war will lead to the end of the sport once and for all. <br /><br />I urge IndyCar fans that hate Delta Wing to FLOOD the corporate IndyCar office with emails, phone calls and personal letters sent to Brian Barnhart and Randy Bernard at the below address.<br /><br />Indy Racing League<br />4565 W. 16th Street<br />Indianapolis, IN 46222 <br />317-492-6526Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715765188224096824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-82842590615339836692010-02-12T03:28:28.526-05:002010-02-12T03:28:28.526-05:00To Speedgeek:
Thanks for the exchange of ideas. I...To Speedgeek:<br /><br />Thanks for the exchange of ideas. I was onto a notion about a steering angle senor to dictate the rear wheel torque application, I think you are correct. It could probably be as simple as a potentiometer around the steering pinion to signal the ECU. <br /><br />Here's the only written information I found:<br /><br />"Differential features full torque vectoring active technology with driver control of gain for balance adjustment".<br /><br />Of course the balance adjustment is mainly for ovals, which is why the point is made that tire stagger is now irrelevant. I suppose you could even do some "traction jacking" for high speed corners during the middle of a road course lap.<br /><br />So I think your "steer by wire" label is absolutely correct, and supports my contention that this is another design aspect which makes the Delta a complex and futuristic vehicle...but not a race car. Not in my book.<br /><br />AndyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-75836801111130421232010-02-11T21:10:47.157-05:002010-02-11T21:10:47.157-05:00Agreed, option 33/32 are my favoritesAgreed, option 33/32 are my favoritesDylanhttp://www.tripleleagueracing.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-69792558014407939752010-02-11T19:16:05.280-05:002010-02-11T19:16:05.280-05:00You are right open wheel fans are united in hatred...You are right open wheel fans are united in hatred of this car. The Batmobile comments are dead on but your Colonial Viper comment fits even better. New Indycar boss says he wants to hear from fans, Well the fans are telling you in droves via Facebook and Twitter that they hate it. You need to listen Indycar, you have enough trouble now without alienating the fan base. I just did entry on my blog below about how much I hate it. I may go back and add a picture of a Colonial viper. <br /><br />I've watched every Indy 500 since I was seven in 1972 and will quit the sport if this is chosen and follow Danica to Nascar. I can't believe I even just typed that. But it is how strongly against this I feel. Get rid of this thing NOW!Mike Wendlerhttp://www.analog-inadigitalworld.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-65935622041168234722010-02-11T19:13:15.883-05:002010-02-11T19:13:15.883-05:00When I hear the term IndyCar Racing, one of the fi...When I hear the term IndyCar Racing, one of the first things that pop into my head is OPEN WHEEL RACING, one of the biggest differences is has from Nascar, or its term in my book, no offense to anyone, Nascrap. The Delta Wing concept car would not be too bad if they were to start a whole other series to race it in, but really...does it look like a true open wheel car? Its more of a mix between a dragster and a rocket able to be driven on land. I honestly like the Dallara and Swift concept cars alot more than the Delta Wing. What makes IndyCar racing what it is is drivers driving inches away from eachother for miles and never touching wheels/tires because if they do..watch out, someones car is going flying into the fence and it wont be pretty, but that cant happen with the Delta Wing cars, the wheels are covered by I dont want to say a fender but they are not sticking out..like at all. Which makes IndyCars so unique. I think the Delta Wing car is too big of a difference from what the cars look like right now, they look like they are way ahead of its time. I would deffinately not be looking forward to the 2012 season if the cars will look like this. If they will be faster than they are now thats cool but when your already going 220+, will another 10 of 15 mhp more really feel like much? But hey what do I know, Im just a 15 year old girl with the biggest obsession of IndyCar Racing :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11051767371131110129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-41089942599124461692010-02-11T18:40:04.474-05:002010-02-11T18:40:04.474-05:00Those are great points as well, Andy. As you point...Those are great points as well, Andy. As you point out, with a full ground effects car, ground clearance is king, with pitch usually a close second in command when it comes to downforce created, as least as far as I've always understood. I'm guessing that active suspension is right out, with the prices that they're talking about, so yes, what happens when somebody clocks a curb? And, like you, I wonder about whether the steering is supposed to come from torque vectoring, which is at least applicable to road cars, but not all that interesting when it comes to racing. Do the cars wind up being "steer by wire", with the front wheels being little more than an extra "directional thruster"? That's very not cool, because that means that the car is steered by electronics. Thanks, but we left that behind in F1 back around 1993 or so.<br /><br />Like you, I had kind of a hard time with the Mid Ohio video. Other than giving an idea of what the power to weight ratio might look like for acceleration, I didn't feel like it necessarily gave a fair, realistic view of how the car will perform. Maybe I'm wrong, but the numbers they announced yesterday seem all wonky and there are many, many unanswered questions. That's not your fault, so no apology needed. It's only Day 2 A.D.W. (after Delta Wing), so maybe those answers are forthcoming. Hopefully soon.The SpeedGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515637541673575394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-11186660410754093322010-02-11T18:10:01.726-05:002010-02-11T18:10:01.726-05:00All of your arguments about allowing independant e...All of your arguments about allowing independant engine builders to work within a loosely defined formula are valid. Those arguments have existed for years, and so have suitable four cylinder turbocharged racing engines.<br /><br />That is not the issue surrounding yesterday's release: in fact, a true prototype cannot be built until the engine which will power it is defined by IICS specifications. I'd put a flat four Subaru turbo in the Delta, if it was going to be permitted.<br /><br />The question is purely about the chassis. If the program is based around a common monocoque, there won't be a way to change the wheelbase significantly. If rules permit you to widen the front track, the pandora's box of R&D expenditures and wind tunnel testing for compatible bodywork revisions is opened.<br /><br />Ideally, that's the kind of open competition we once had and so dearly miss. Realistically, rules with that much room for interpretation will be maximized by those few who have the budgets to do it best.<br /><br />My contention remains that once out of the box, two teams will have a clear advantage before the first week of ownership of any chassis has passed. There is no parity in that plan, unless there is a similar parity in resources to implement it.<br /><br />I think it is a crude but fair description to say that the Delta Wing car essentially steers via torque application changes at the rear wheels. That will be quite an unfamiliar principal for new drivers to learn, and for fans to relate to.<br /><br />Full ground effect designs have always concerned me, and have been systematicaly controlled thhroughout the history of Formula One. Downforce is heavily reduced when the car is off-axis: hence the large rudder?<br /><br />Downforce on the Delta Wing would be significantly disrupted if a rear wheel was picked up: at the end of the Mid-Ohio video, one car rides the turtles on a sweeper. Is a full ground effect car going to exhibit stable handling characteristics in that event?<br /><br />OK, so we can overcome that obstacle with active suspension capabilities. So I can buy my Delta kit, and tinker out my own rear suspension layout. And then have to hire an engineering firm to remap my suspension ECU? And will his efforts be as effective as the brain trust at Penske Racing?<br /><br />Reduced limits are a tricky deal. Safety cannot be compromised. Budgets will not be equalized. Fuel flow can be regulated, and a common platform adopted. But the "do it yourself" notion of significant modification to this kit, or any other, gets much more problematic as sophistication of the design increases.<br /><br />We will never have low tech IndyCars again. The question is how high tech they will become under the rules, and who is permitted to reach those heights. And stay there, all by themselves.<br /><br />I'll apologize in advance if my understanding of the Delta Wing design pronciples are incorrect. After watching the simulation video of Mid-Ohio, I quickly devoted my attention to other matters, I'm an IndyCar fan. To me, that video was a cartoon.<br /><br />Andy BernsteinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-16530573110805194772010-02-11T13:39:03.252-05:002010-02-11T13:39:03.252-05:00There you go. Might I be able to invite you to sen...There you go. Might I be able to invite you to send these questions to Curt Cavin, for discussion on tonight's Trackside show? I'm going to summarize the stuff that I put in my comment to your last post, and send it in as well, so maybe he'll be able to direct one of our set of questions to Ben Bowlby or Chip Ganassi tonight.The SpeedGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515637541673575394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-53265143983567163932010-02-11T13:21:55.626-05:002010-02-11T13:21:55.626-05:00All good points. I'm glad that somebody broke ...All good points. I'm glad that somebody broke it down like this. Nice job.<br /><br />I think the big question is: how flexible is the silhouette of the chassis? Can you widen the nose and set the front wheels out wider, so as to employ a normal suspension setup? Do you have to use the 4" wide wheels that they've proposed? Do you have to have the dorsal fin? How much can you play with the geometry of the tunnels and tunnel inlets?<br /><br />This is all stuff you can't answer, and neither can I. It's all probably stuff that falls outside of the scope of yesterday's announcement, but it's all stuff that the DW guys should probably answer sooner rather than later, before public opinion runs away from them to the point they can't get anybody back.The SpeedGeekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515637541673575394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-6552673739326366272010-02-10T22:14:11.826-05:002010-02-10T22:14:11.826-05:00So if I'm reading your, Fred's, and Ben Bo...So if I'm reading your, Fred's, and Ben Bowlby's comments correctly-please correct me if I'm not-the purpose isn't to be a chassis builder-I hate the way the car looks by the way-but to simply show the rest of the world a way to go. Fine. I know you can't answer this question for Bowlby, but wouldn't a better answer have been for Bowlby to stay employed with Lola and help them build their chassis?<br /><br />As I stated earlier, I hate this car. Having said that, I'm not a mechanical engineer-not even close-so I don't understand totally the ideas that led to this design. Bottom line, if this was an effort to jolt IndyCar and other chassis manufacturers into action, then it was worth it. Even though I don't like the Delta Wing concept, I won't stop watching IndyCar if that is the chassis chosen. I am a fan of RACING, not a fan of a car or a car design. But if the Delta Wing design is chosen, it will definitely take some getting used to.Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-67298882178501207512010-02-10T08:19:05.933-05:002010-02-10T08:19:05.933-05:00That 1.45 rating for last years ARCA race just mad...That 1.45 rating for last years ARCA race just made me throw up in my mouth a little.<br /><br />You raise and interesting scenario, however I agree with the Speedgeek, NASCAR will only do something in the interests of NASCAR. Regarding the Phoenix scenario, Indycar is the weak player and NASCAR holds all the cards.<br /><br />I think a better option is for Indycar to try to lure NASCAR stars into competing in the 500. If that means moving the race start time, or day, around, so be it. It would require them to open things up on the engine front, to allow guys like Stewart the option of bringing a "Chevy" powered car to Indy. Yeah, maybe NASCAR scores some benefit there too, but it would bring a heck of a lot more attention to the 500 to see Jimmie Johnson, or Jeff Gordon taking the start.<br /><br />It used to be that the Indy 500 drew the best drivers in the world to the start each year. F1 guys, and NASCAR guys came to run the race as a one off, against the regular Indycar drivers. But we have to admit it hasn't been that way in 30 years. Sure, the top names in Indycar like Dixon, Kanaan, etc. are top notch, but seeing folks like Marty Roth, and Milka take the start in what is supposed to be The Greatest Spectacle in Racing is downright embarrassing. The average American can only name 1 Indycar driver, and she's quickly becoming the competition's hottest marketing property.Tom G.http://20prospect.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-63389162219887456282010-02-10T01:24:03.926-05:002010-02-10T01:24:03.926-05:00JP is correct as that would probably be the only w...JP is correct as that would probably be the only way something like that would occur.<br /><br />Let me bring up another point, Fred, as to why I don't think this will work. A couple of weeks ago, the Rolex 24 at Daytona was ran. In that race were several NASCAR drivers, including Jimmie Johnson-who totaled the #99 Gainsco Insurance car in a practice session that was considered an early favourite to win the race. I don't recall seeing ISC-which owns Grand Am, the sanctioning body of the Rolex 24-doing a whole lot to promote the race. If ISC won't promote a race-the biggest race of the year-in a series that it owns, featuring some of their biggest star drivers of its main series-why would they do so for a competing series?Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-65244744816822213382010-02-10T00:27:00.731-05:002010-02-10T00:27:00.731-05:00The phoenix Idea is a good one, but existing polit...The phoenix Idea is a good one, but existing political realities make it unlikely. The only thing that could change the equation is a sponsor willing to write a fat check to put their name on the IICS portion of the event. I suggested a week or two ago on trackside that GoDaddy might have an interest in doing so. ISC would get the $, IICS would get the attention and ratings at a venue it wants to be at and GODaddy would get more over the top exposure for their corporate media darling.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04984813506930468025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-3229774134695599402010-02-09T21:49:27.282-05:002010-02-09T21:49:27.282-05:00I hear what you're saying, Fred, but the Speed...I hear what you're saying, Fred, but the Speedgeek is correct. The offer made to IndyCar was to run PIR on Thursday. Exactly how would that help IndyCar? <br /><br />I'm not saying that you are completely wrong-it might be worth a try just to see what happens-but I don't agree with your sunny point of view regarding NASCAR's willingness to do so. NASCAR has absolutely no reason to do anything to help IndyCar-if that were the case then wouldn't it follow that the offer would be for something other than the "graveyard" Thursday night shift? <br /><br />I believe that Speedgeek has the better, more practical idea, and that is to run IndyCar in combination weekends with ALMS. While there are certain tracks this might not work on-Sebring is too bumpy, Le Mans is a nice fantasy but unlikely to happen and Mosport won't with Toronto on the schedule-it might not be a bad idea to consider the possibility of sharing race weekends with ALMS. Certainly far better than trying to work with an entity that is actively trying to put you out of business.Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1594054020794734938.post-40277961788961050602010-02-09T18:49:32.871-05:002010-02-09T18:49:32.871-05:00See, I think the idea of a big Danica-fest at Phoe...See, I think the idea of a big Danica-fest at Phoenix would be huge for them, and I wonder if that's enough to push IndyCar onto the Saturday schedule.<br /><br />Either way, it's a bit of a moot point, since in order to strike while Danica is still new to stock cars, they would need to have put a deal together well before now.<br /><br />I do think if Danica continues to look competent in a stock car, they should try to do this next year. I'm not convinced NASCAR isn't nervous enough to jump on it, if it ramps up the Danicamania to 11.Fred Hurleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379706257551429697noreply@blogger.com